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S6E9: Eternity in Their Hearts
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Welcome to season 6 episode 9 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.
Shame doesn’t just appear out of nowhere. Shame begins in the earliest communities in which we dwell. It is to those communities we now turn to see how shame emerges there—but also what we can do to retell the stories of those communities: our families, our churches and schools. Listen in as we get to the bottom of the places where our stories begin, and begin to reimagine how God can transform them on the way to doing the same for the larger communities in which we live.
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Episode Links and References
- The St. John's Bible
- Ecclesiastes 3:9-14
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Special Thanks for our Season Sponsor - Hope Heals:
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The week-long camp experience empowers suffering people to embrace their “good/hard” stories by choosing to see the God-given purpose in their pain. And this season we are working to help five campers get to camp FREE. Learn more about partnering with Hope Heals Camp and donate HERE.
Learn more about our passion for Hope Heals with this short video.
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Wednesday Mar 22, 2023
S6E8: The Wisdom of Many Advisers
Wednesday Mar 22, 2023
Wednesday Mar 22, 2023
Welcome to season 6 episode 8 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.
We live in a world that has trained us to believe that we each live in our own personal silo. But this flies in the face of what neuroscience tells us about the interconnectivity of our minds. So much of our anxiety—and our lack of wisdom—stems from our trying to live against the current of how God has created our minds to function. We think we need to be able to live life on our own, and we seek knowledge so that we can do just that. But wisdom tells us that we were not made for silos, we were made for each other.
Curt and Pepper have learned just how true this is, and invite you to join us as we explore the wisdom of having many advisers by whom we are deeply known.
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Episode Links and References
- Duke Ellington: Take the A Train
- Proverbs 15:22
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Special Thanks for our Season Sponsor - Hope Heals:
Hope Heals Camp is a truly unique offering in the world. No other space in existence today invites families experiencing disabilities – of any age, with any diagnosis, from any place – to enjoy multi-day respite, a rich network of relationships, and access to world class Christ-centered resources, all free of charge.
The week-long camp experience empowers suffering people to embrace their “good/hard” stories by choosing to see the God-given purpose in their pain. And this season we are working to help five campers get to camp FREE. Learn more about partnering with Hope Heals Camp and donate HERE.
Learn more about our passion for Hope Heals with this short video.
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Thursday Mar 16, 2023
S6E7: Where Are You... And Where Are You Going?
Thursday Mar 16, 2023
Thursday Mar 16, 2023
Welcome to season 6 episode 7 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.
It’s hard to know where we are going if we first do not know where we are. The integration of the domain of our state of mind is critical if wisdom is what we seek. For if we are not aware of the state that our mind occupies—knowing where we are—how will we be able to move in the path of wisdom?
Join us as Pepper and Curt discover how being known enables us to more consistently be aware of our states of mind, and so have greater access to the wisdom that is being offered to us there.
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Episode Links and References
- The Bible Project - Proverbs video
- Proverbs 1-9
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Special Thanks for our Season Sponsor - Hope Heals:
Hope Heals Camp is a truly unique offering in the world. No other space in existence today invites families experiencing disabilities – of any age, with any diagnosis, from any place – to enjoy multi-day respite, a rich network of relationships, and access to world class Christ-centered resources, all free of charge.
The week-long camp experience empowers suffering people to embrace their “good/hard” stories by choosing to see the God-given purpose in their pain. And this season we are working to help five campers get to camp FREE. Learn more about partnering with Hope Heals Camp and donate HERE.
Learn more about our passion for Hope Heals with this short video.
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Wednesday Mar 08, 2023
S6E6: The Story of Wisdom
Wednesday Mar 08, 2023
Wednesday Mar 08, 2023
Welcome to season 6 episode 6 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.
The book of Proverbs portrays Wisdom as calling out in the streets. She, in effect, is telling her story, and asking us to join her. As it turns out, it is crucial in becoming people of wisdom that we not only understand the stories we tell about ourselves, but that we tell them wisely. And to do this, we need other trustworthy people in our lives who can help us do this. For it is in the very process of telling our stories that we knead wisdom into the dough of our lives.
In this episode, Pepper and Curt have the opportunity to continue to tell each other their stories, a telling that opens the door for wisdom to enter.
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Episode Links and References
- The book of Proverbs
- Jeremiah 6:16
- David Wilcox: Covert War video
- David Wilcox; How Did You Find Me Here video
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Special Thanks for our Season Sponsor - Hope Heals:
Hope Heals Camp is a truly unique offering in the world. No other space in existence today invites families experiencing disabilities – of any age, with any diagnosis, from any place – to enjoy multi-day respite, a rich network of relationships, and access to world class Christ-centered resources, all free of charge.
The week-long camp experience empowers suffering people to embrace their “good/hard” stories by choosing to see the God-given purpose in their pain. And this season we are working to help five campers get to camp FREE. Learn more about partnering with Hope Heals Camp and donate HERE.
Learn more about our passion for Hope Heals with this short video.
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Stay connected:
- Instagram, Facebook, Twitter
- YouTube (Unedited videos of each episode AND the Post Show Conversations.)
- Please subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode and we always welcome your reviews on Apple Podcasts.
- Sign up to access the Being Known Podcast applications, the weekly exercises that connect what you are learning to your life in a practical way.

Wednesday Mar 01, 2023
S6E5: Wisdom of the Ages: Remembering our Future
Wednesday Mar 01, 2023
Wednesday Mar 01, 2023
Welcome to season 6 episode 5 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.
The memory domain of integration is not only about the past, it’s about the future. The future we are remembering. And indeed, becoming wise has everything to do with how you make sense of your past, something you are doing every moment of your life, even if you are not aware of it.
For if we are to be wise as we approach our future, we must be aware of how our past is shaping us as much as any new information we accumulate along the way. Curt and Pepper explore how our own memory—and the memory of those who have gone before us—enable us to be more deeply known, and people of greater wisdom as a result.
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Episode Links and References
- Jeremiah 6:6
- Matthew 28:16-20
- Makoto Fujimura: New Wine collaboration video and New Wine finished painting.
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Special Thanks for our Season Sponsor - Hope Heals:
Hope Heals Camp is a truly unique offering in the world. No other space in existence today invites families experiencing disabilities – of any age, with any diagnosis, from any place – to enjoy multi-day respite, a rich network of relationships, and access to world class Christ-centered resources, all free of charge.
The week-long camp experience empowers suffering people to embrace their “good/hard” stories by choosing to see the God-given purpose in their pain. And this season we are working to help five campers get to camp FREE. Learn more about partnering with Hope Heals Camp and donate HERE.
Learn more about our passion for Hope Heals with this short video.
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Stay connected:
- Instagram, Facebook, Twitter
- YouTube (Unedited videos of each episode AND the Post Show Conversations.)
- Please subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode and we always welcome your reviews on Apple Podcasts.
- Sign up to access the Being Known Podcast applications, the weekly exercises that connect what you are learning to your life in a practical way.

Wednesday Feb 22, 2023
S6E4: Right and Wrong: Being and Knowing…and Being
Wednesday Feb 22, 2023
Wednesday Feb 22, 2023
Welcome to season 6 episode 4 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.
We often assume that wisdom is to be equated with knowing things. And indeed, knowing things is important. But only to the degree that it enables us to create beauty and goodness in the world, not least that of flourishing relationships.
Our challenge is that so often we are interested in acquiring knowledge because we are more concerned with being right than we are about being loving.
The horizontal domain of integration—that of the relationship between the right and left hemispheres of the brain—is the setting in which we learn that wisdom is so much more than knowing: it’s about being known. In this episode, Curt and Pepper will connect with their right and left brains—and with you—as we continue on this marvelous journey of becoming people of wisdom.
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Episode Links and References
- Ecclesiastes 3
- The Time Jumpers
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Special Thanks for our Season Sponsor - Hope Heals:
Hope Heals Camp is a truly unique offering in the world. No other space in existence today invites families experiencing disabilities – of any age, with any diagnosis, from any place – to enjoy multi-day respite, a rich network of relationships, and access to world class Christ-centered resources, all free of charge.
The week-long camp experience empowers suffering people to embrace their “good/hard” stories by choosing to see the God-given purpose in their pain. And this season we are working to help five campers get to camp FREE. Learn more about partnering with Hope Heals Camp and donate HERE.
Learn more about our passion for Hope Heals with this short video.
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Stay connected:
- Instagram, Facebook, Twitter
- YouTube (Unedited videos of each episode AND the Post Show Conversations.)
- Please subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode and we always welcome your reviews on Apple Podcasts.
- Sign up to access the Being Known Podcast applications, the weekly exercises that connect what you are learning to your life in a practical way.

Wednesday Feb 15, 2023
S6E3: The Wisdom of the Body: Beginning at the Beginning
Wednesday Feb 15, 2023
Wednesday Feb 15, 2023
Welcome to season 6 episode 3 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.
God creates mankind in a particular sequence, as Genesis tells us. He begins with mud, into which he breathes his breath. And so we too, in order to become people of wisdom, people who are deeply known, must be present first to our bodies.
What are they telling us? And how do we then make sense of what we are sensing? How do we act with our bodies in such a way that wisdom is acquired?
We discover even more when we read how Paul considers the body of Jesus to be a collection of all of his followers together. This is the work of the vertical domain of integration. Pepper and Curt begin at the beginning of being present to what wisdom has to teach us.
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Episode Links and References
- Genesis 1:26-28
- Genesis 2:7, 2:15, 2:18-25
- Proverbs 9:10
- Wisdom of Jesus' Body:
- John 1, John 2, John 6, Mark 10, John 20, 1 Corinthians 12-13, Exodus 3:14
- Body Scan
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Special Thanks for our Season Sponsor - Hope Heals:
Hope Heals Camp is a truly unique offering in the world. No other space in existence today invites families experiencing disabilities – of any age, with any diagnosis, from any place – to enjoy multi-day respite, a rich network of relationships, and access to world class Christ-centered resources, all free of charge.
The week-long camp experience empowers suffering people to embrace their “good/hard” stories by choosing to see the God-given purpose in their pain. And this season we are working to help five campers get to camp FREE. Learn more about partnering with Hope Heals Camp and donate HERE.
Learn more about our passion for Hope Heals with this short video.
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Stay connected:
- Instagram, Facebook, Twitter
- YouTube (Unedited videos of each episode AND the Post Show Conversations.)
- Please subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode and we always welcome your reviews on Apple Podcasts.
- Sign up to access the Being Known Podcast applications, the weekly exercises that connect what you are learning to your life in a practical way.

Wednesday Feb 08, 2023
S6E2: 2. The Word of God: The Presence of Wisdom—and the Wisdom of Presence
Wednesday Feb 08, 2023
Wednesday Feb 08, 2023
Welcome to season 6 episode 2 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom.
In the beginning, it was God’s presence that hovered over the deep waters of chaos. But before that wisdom was with God, and then was at his side as God brought order and purpose in his creating the world. Presence. For to know what wisdom is, let alone acquire it, we must first be present to it—in the same way that we must be present to God, to ourselves, and to each other as the starting point to being known; to becoming people of beauty and goodness.
We will encounter the conscious domain of integration—and so learn how wisdom begins by being present.
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Episode Links and References
- Genesis 1:1-2
- Proverbs 8:22-31
- Genesis 1:26
- Makoto Fujimura - Art + Faith: The Theology of Making
- Makoto Fujimura art piece - Tears of Christ
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Special Thanks for our Season Sponsor - Hope Heals:
Hope Heals Camp is a truly unique offering in the world. No other space in existence today invites families experiencing disabilities – of any age, with any diagnosis, from any place – to enjoy multi-day respite, a rich network of relationships, and access to world class Christ-centered resources, all free of charge.
The week-long camp experience empowers suffering people to embrace their “good/hard” stories by choosing to see the God-given purpose in their pain. And this season we are working to help five campers get to camp FREE. Learn more about partnering with Hope Heals Camp and donate HERE.
Learn more about our passion for Hope Heals with this short video.
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Stay connected:
- Instagram, Facebook, Twitter
- YouTube (Unedited videos of each episode AND the Post Show Conversations.)
- Please subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode and we always welcome your reviews on Apple Podcasts.
- Sign up to access the Being Known Podcast applications, the weekly exercises that connect what you are learning to your life in a practical way.

Wednesday Feb 01, 2023
S6E1: The Beauty of Wisdom
Wednesday Feb 01, 2023
Wednesday Feb 01, 2023
Welcome to season 6 episode 1 of Being Known Podcast. This season we are looking at The Beauty of Wisdom as we address the following: What does it mean to be wise, and how does life at the intersection of interpersonal neurobiology and Christian spirituality—a life of being known—reveal how we can become people of wisdom in a world that so desperately needs it?
We would expect there to be no debate: wisdom is something everyone thinks is a good thing. Who would ever want to be more foolish by the end of the day? But we often seem to be more interested in being right than being wise; more often interested in acquiring information than wisdom.
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Episode Links and References
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Special Thanks for our Season Sponsor - Hope Heals:
Hope Heals Camp is a truly unique offering in the world. No other space in existence today invites families experiencing disabilities – of any age, with any diagnosis, from any place – to enjoy multi-day respite, a rich network of relationships, and access to world class Christ-centered resources, all free of charge.
The week-long camp experience empowers suffering people to embrace their “good/hard” stories by choosing to see the God-given purpose in their pain. And this season we are working to help five campers get to camp FREE. Learn more about partnering with Hope Heals Camp and donate HERE.
Learn more about our passion for Hope Heals with this short video.
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Stay connected:
- Instagram, Facebook, Twitter
- YouTube (Unedited videos of each episode AND the Post Show Conversations.)
- Please subscribe to the podcast so you never miss an episode and we always welcome your reviews on Apple Podcasts.
- Sign up to access the Being Known Podcast applications, the weekly exercises that connect what you are learning to your life in a practical way.

Wednesday Jan 25, 2023
BKP LIVE - Oct. 27, 2022
Wednesday Jan 25, 2023
Wednesday Jan 25, 2023
As part of the Connections Conference 2022 hosted by The Center for Being Known, Curt, Pepper and Amy sat down for a live podcast recording to talk all things friendship, favorites and being known.
Learn more about The Center for Being Known at www.thedbk.org